Oil Filters. In most cases you should go the overhaul route, checking for wear, mic'ing out the bores and clearances of bearings, etc. It's time consuming and may be a bit of work, but the object is to SAVE the engine. XT4-R C60 RACING 39.67; XT4-S C60; XTC C60; XTM POLAR PLUS; stroke engine oil; Transmission oil; fuel additives; brake fluids; Olio forks; cooling system fluids . The stuff is "used" Atf so it's $0.00. I had a cycle in storage for about 12 years get stuck, had me sweating for about two days. 99 & up 7.3L Power Stroke Engine & Drivetrain, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, 99 & up Upgrades and Aftermarket - 7.3L Engine, 7.3L IDI Diesels (Not Powerstrokes) 1988-1993, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. After 24 hours the motor turned over by hand easily. All the rings that sat low in the bores will probably be stuck tight in the piston ring lands makes for low compression on half the cylinders. . Also note that striking the crown of the piston is a very bad idea so ones oak block should be relieved in the middle. My last day of 2020 I had a weak moment and bought a real "barn find" 1967 Buick LeSabre still in the barn and covered with much dust and straw. In the spray bottle mix the ATF and acetone in a 1:1 mixture. It is strongly recommended to research this fully before undertaking the procedure. I have yet to not get one running. The acceptable method involves turning the engine from the flexplate/flywheel, or by using a crankshaft socket that fits over the snout of the crank or bolts to the damper. I never take the hood off unless the engine is coming out Yeah. SHARE. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. that is the lamest thing I have ever hear of, that will actually burnish the piston heads and corode the valves. The ratio of water to oil that comes out of the oil pan is an indication of whether the reciprocating assembly was submerged or not. You can post now and register later. Give it a couple minutes/hours/days so it can work on the rust. engine is seized. In some additional comments that I found while double-checking on the article I found that with some of the new ATF fluids it is hard to get a good mix. This is just a pre-lube stage. Once the crud is softened up, it can take a long time to ever be removed totally. No one involved will be surprised when they clog again. If it doesn't turn over at fifty psi it's not ready. Long term, unintended storage it best termed benevolent abuse if there was a roof. I have a camera for that. After an hours of run in my new compression reading was 82 pounds across the board DRY! Dollar General. "I came up with the idea one day when I ran out of penetrating oil. You must log in or register to reply here. Take the breaker bar and turn the crank pulley back a bit and then hit the starter button again to put some torque on the flywheel. Pressure can now be applied to the edge of the piston where it is needed. It worked great, and helped. Ilet it sit to long in my Florida garage. 2002 2500HD --- 293,496+Miles --- All stock except for 4" exhaust. I would definatly not recommend using it in a TDI for obvious reasons, but any IDI diesel does nothing but benefit from ATF. I actually used a hole saw and then I melted the pistons into 2 parts and I still had to use the BMFH! . ATF / Automatic Transmission Fluid. months[7]="July"; Contact|Terms, Homemade Penetrating Oil FARM SHOP Miscellaneous 33-4-38 Mixing kerosene and automatic transmission fluid together in a 50-50 mix produces a low-cost penetrating oil, says Bill Burlew of Savona, N.Y., who has successfully used the idea for years. I've used it on stuff that was rusted all to heck, such as when I took the seats out of a van. Ah, ok, good to know. months[2]="February"; If you want you can use diesel fuel instead of kerosene. Propane which is easy to obtain boils at -42 degrees C but there is the fire hazard to consider. I filled the cylinders with the above mentioned fluids and others daily. ATF is not to be used with HEIU injectors, it can trash a motor, ecpecially at 37 to 1 ratio. 2001 PSD Excursion 4x4 Limited 7" Superlift Softride lift, 315/75/16 Toyo M/T, Fox shocks, Hellwig rear sway-bar, Air-lift airbags, Autometer Ultra Lite tranny/pyro gauges, DP tuner, Swamps 175/146 single shots, Wicked Wheel, AFE Progard 7, 4" turbo-back exhaust, John Woods tranny w/ 6.0 billet TC, and T/C lock-up switch, Tru-Cool Max tranny cooler. Then what if the dot dip your tank?????? It is even more slippery than just low sulfur diesel, they have Most definetely taken caren of the lubrication. I agree with the ATF/Diesel/Acetone mix although Kroil Oil would be the best,but as pointed out expensive. atf isnt designed to be burned. Sometimes they will end up being junked for the cast iron. I took a gamble and bought it. He uses b100 as a parts cleaner or in a pinch as a penetrating oil or lubricant. Fitch Ratings on Tuesday said it expects the five-month-old tax on windfall profits made by oil companies to be phased out in 2023 on the back of moderating oil rates. about 1/5th the time it would take wd-40 to do the same job and in the end a better lubricant as well. Will post pictures of it soon. My dad (after the fact) said first thing I should have done was take the valve covers offhit each rocker arm to make sure none of the valves were stuck. Start by turning the crank, even a small amount will - over time and with repetition - cause it to break loose. ]hey guys should I really be mixing ATF with the fuel every third fill up. Using a fluid that will penetrate and lubricate is key. What condition was the engine left in when last turned over, is there oil in it still, or water? MBRP 4" 304SS exhaust, BTS tranny, 203 T-stat, Chevron ELC, Oilguard bypass with Schaeffer 9000, WranglerNW 200 amp alternator, Nippon-Denso starter, SPA gauges, SteveRacer mods, Hella 80/100W 9007s, Hella Micro DE foglights, 1000FF driving lights, 220W backup lights, Stancor contactor, X-Springs, Bilstein shox, custom bumpers but otherwise stock. like ive said over and over i dont think that the newer ford 7.3's and 6.0s will run right for a long time on just straight atf or even on a heavy blend of the atf. And besides, as of late I've come to the opinion that google is not our friend. Know what metal that you are working with and apply the correct solution to get the best result. We had started to discuss the feasability of using straight bio as a penetrating oil, just pouring into a typical spray bottle. Others add a teaspoon of wintergreen oil to the mix. // End --> ia-k is correct I have not been working on my "V" engines lately. If you are using ULSD and/or winter fuel you should add lubricant to every fill-up. "I call it jungle juice. I've never put much faith in "magic penetrating fluids". Domestic heating oil price based on ATF Smart Heating Package (900L rate). Proper store bought stuff is good as well. Can't get it out til spring, but will have a chance to get at it and soak it. Apply a quality thread lubricant to the bolt or stud to prevent seizing caused by galvanic corrosion. Water, even rust pinholes can be in the oil pan. JavaScript is disabled. Fill cylinders again and reinsert plugs. "A known practice especially amongst truckers is the adding of Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) to diesel fuel. Luckily he was smart enough to call the dispatch and they got one of the old hand mechanics on and he said add two quarts of ATF to the fuel tank and bring it strait back to the shop to be siphoned out. Spray away and get your nuts loose! If seals and gaskets are treated to withstand diesel fuel, I am pretty sure they can handle ATF for a short amount of time. I need info I want to learn everything, If you are set on mixing something with your diesel fuel, why not try a diesel additive that's chemically formulated to address the correct issues (moisture, cleaning, cetane), [quote='88 golf diesel?? ULSD may have variable lubricity. O'Reilly Auto Parts carries Red Line Synthetic Oil products. If you want you can use diesel fuel instead of kerosene. I start with a plastic hammer, brass would be a good choice, an aluminum drift also works. Not talking about microscopic damage to rings or cylinders. Total Quartz Ineo Xtra First 0W-20 is an advanced synthetic technology engine oil that has been formulated and used for Stellantis (previously part of the PSA Group) factory fill and after sales. It looks like time for a good power washing in the driveway. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally good results. I have put in one quart of ATF to 27 gallons of Jet A before. 4where a mouse had camped out. Fumoto Valve. Lots of good comments above. Just click the "edit" tab at the top of this page, or click one of the [edit] links to the right of an article section. Its now part of my regular unstick it process. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif, we just replaced the injectors and it is back to normal), For now. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif, Must be nice to install a set of retail injectors and never have to worry about warrantying them, ever /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif. your stupid for running such a heavy mix.. those ford injectors and just about everything in your whole injection system is going to hate you within a couple thousand miles. I'd like to know myself actually, I could benefit from this. I will not be moving it out of said barn until spring. Or valve lapping compound as handy stuff to have around? You might not want to filter the acid since it might destroy the cheesecloth. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Flood waters also have a large presence of silt, chemicals of unknown nature, and varying pH. i wouldnt try running it in a common rail dodge either, and wouldnt go more than 25% on a Vp44 cummins truck, if its got a mechanical injection system i dont see any blatantly bad things to running a heavy mix, but i dont see anyone getting as good fuel mileage as on just straight diesel. How about turning it back? The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Powered by Invision Community, There are no registered users currently online. MEGA 6. Get some help if you think you need it. I have ran one tank of diesel # 2 but the mix I am running seems to be running fine. An engine that's had regular routine oil and filter changes will be relatively clean inside. Its owner had been soaking the piston with red-diesel for a year however he said that he would not be doing any work on the engine until the piston had been soaked for another THREE YEARS but not many people have so much patience. It also contains a lot of detergent which, will also clean deposits out, but not all deposits are bad. jared_bortel, There are two places in which you can apply rotational force; the crank pulley and the flywheel. Topped off by Jody's famous tunes. Loosen the rod bearing caps and tap with a bronze hammer to break the bearings loose. The CTD towed to Vegas from Reno on this, and he has had no issues. Break the porcelain out of an old spark plug and thread the metal body for a large grease fitting (1/4" NPT). This will allow the excess penetration oil to evacuate itself from the combustion chambers and for some of the oil in the crankcase to move in the system. It raises the BTU's, adds some lubrication and enough of it will raise the HP. They went on to say it was good for the injectors and the rest of the fuel system and that it was an "old school" tip. Penetrating oil. It acts as a wetting agent for the ATF. Even with all the main caps off, I still had to pry the crank out with a crow bar. Well just over 2k using 3:1 now. To be cliche, one can reflect upon the old addage"If it sounds to good to be true". I don't know where we would have found weasel piss, especially in the days before the internet. Its now part of my regular unstick it process. Could we have just dropped a valve on the piston and it's stuck there? Upload or insert images from URL. Personally would start by putting penetrant in the cylinders and trying to turn it over by hand, give it a couple days to soak and between attempts, it should break free. Acids will eat their way through but can cause damage of its own and may be hard to control as well as dangerous to handle. wrong! Always consult equipment operator's manual and follow safety instructions before operating or servicing any tractor or equipment, or attempting any task. Normally when I use it (it is expensive about 100 for a gallon) it will free up the engine in a matter of an hour to 24 hours tops. Will be interesting to hear how it works for you. The jet fuel price was cut by Rs 2,775 per kilolitre, according to a price notification of state-owned fuel retailers. FREE Issue Request $16.99. Damper/balancers can be damaged and the damper bolt will strip if excessive torque is applied. 08-24-2012, 03:08 PM. I mixed type F ATF and acetone 50/50 in a small bottle and used a Q tip to dab oil on the bushings. Plastic containers will burn in my woodstove, that doesn't make it a good idea to heat with them. Pull the oring out and try to stretch it and see what happens. Line for all transfers is double filtered. At $2.50 per 16 oz, thats $20 per gallon. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. months[12]="December"; The dust may also have acids and alkalies (caustics) attached to it, and together with water vapor will etch the bearing and journal surfaces. I recently unstuck a Studebaker 289 by loosening every thing that could hinder it- all belts, rocker arms, plugs, etc. Better yet are diesel additives with lube & cetane booster such as Stanadyne Performance Formula. Later they told us that they changed the chemistry and it did seem to quit working. Banks MONSTER exhaust, Maghytec rear diff cover, ITP H/X kit, Whelan 52" Strobe Bar, Fisher 8.5' Snow Plow, 3 Weatherguard tool boxes. Forcing things is a bad idea. The other issue with a seized engine is that you cannot check out anything in the drivetrain or accessories. HUTCH fuel tank mods, REMANFACTURED Ford transmission. The only time I have seen someone put ATF in a diesel is when the guy accidentally filled it with gasoline. You can also use lacquer thinner in place of acetone, store in plastic marked with 2 HDPE recycling symbol jlow Feb 23, 2014 #2 Its interesting data and does give one some idea as to what might work. // http://onyx.idbsu.edu/~ipowell That means that you can loosen the belts or remove the alternator, water pump, intake and exhaust manifolds, distributor, heads, oil pan, etc. I believe due to the higher BTU content of the ATF vs. Diesel that the mixture is too rich. You need something that will penetrate, stay wet, and wick its way up into the smallest area. are we talking about Automatic Tranny Fluid??????? Sorry for mis-reading the original post. After I applied some of . I need info I want to learn everything[/quote], hi, no worries on the the new ultra-low sulfur diesel. Cars that are parked for long periods of time are rarely prepared for the long storage, probably overdue for an oil change. The revised tax rates become effective from December 2, 2022. Also mouseitis caused by rodents. To make a long story short, you never know what you will run into. if (year < 2000) Generally after a few days I can usually free up a stuck or seized engine. A honey bee nest in a cylinder. I sneezed and hacked for at least a day after the last trip. Don't forget to use longitudinal force on the crankshaft. thank you very much. Yes"google is your friend," as they say, but it's easy to misinterpret which product they're talking about and you wind up ordering the wrong thing. Most of the time people who recommend adding ATF are old timers or folks who were told by old timers. This is set for ~20oz of 2SO/25 gallons & 8oz of ATF. Back in the 1980's I worked for a trucking company and we always filled new fuel filters with ATF, but that was the most we ever add. whatever. The fuel hoses between the lift pump and filter canister were dissolved to mush. Truck & HGV Filter Service Packs. A lot of times you wouldn't believe how good old water does the trick.. there is a very real need to assess each task on it's own merit and use an appropriate product one that experience has told us works well in circumstance. viscosity is also still decent at colder temps. A bolt is more likely to come out based on my actions rather than anything I splash in its general direction. Remember to try to rock the crank CW and CCW. Flood the engine block with the fluid of your choice. They just "do" it. Has anyone ever used ATF as hand cleaner? Sorry about my misinformation. Sometimes in a few inches of stroke it will all bind up and leave you jammed tighter than before. Remove the thermostat and attach your hoses to your heating unit and pump the hot water thru the cooling system. The rings, which are cast iron, are usually stuck to the cast iron cylinder walls but only in the cylinders which are open to the atmosphere. Whether this was a good idea or not I'm not sure, but the +300 trucks the company had and we service got it everytime. Putting ATF in is simply a waste of expensive ATF. Once the engine has soaked, jack up one drive wheel, put the transmission in high gear and work the wheel back and forth. According to tests performed by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) and the International Standards Organization (ISO) the lubrication benefit from ATF is very slight. It will help the high pressure pump live longer. Just because ATF has not harmed your car does not mean it is THE best or even. Motor was free but gummy and dragging from oil glue. Still haven't heard from them, I might have to do it the old fashioned way and use the phone We have been using PB Blaster for the rusty stuff, but alway open to new ideas. Turn it upside down and fill the block, and plug holes as necessary. JavaScript is disabled. When I was growing up in Pennsylvania we had skunk piss (I think that Liquid Wrench was the product that referred to). I quit using it 2 years ago and I just put some Power Service in when I take my first towing trip each year thinking it may be cleaning the injectors but, I can't tell because it seems to only do the same things that Standyne did. Recently I used a new type oftechniquewhile doing all the regular things aboveI also heated the coolant with a pail heater and circulating the water through the block. Display as a link instead, Ordinary motor oil will coat but penetrates at a very slow pace. One school of thought is that it's better to leave it be, if the engine cannot be taken apart for a thorough cleaning. Once the drive wheel rotates several revolutions, pull the vehicle in high gear several miles with all the plugs removed. With the water pump off the car, the engine turned over beautifully. Allow the engine to make two or three revolutions before stopping the exercise. Penetrating oils - Allis Chalmers Forum - Yesterday's Tractors Jump to forum order in days for posts Granular rust will form. AFE PG7 drop in filter, AFE Torque Tube, HTT 2.5 turbo, AFE e-mani, ATS Arc Flo, 50HP DDP , 482K, HPTuners, G56, 25.065 mpg, mpg threads -> MPG threads. Insert the plug in the cylinder that's on the compression stroke and pump it full of grease using a grease gun filled with cheap light weight grease (like Lubriplate white grease). Like new 88 Vacationeer 11.4' or 2008 Cardinal 31SB, 1992 Bayliner Trophy and the itch to go, baited hooks and the need to fish, loaded guns and the need to hunt. They went on to say it was good for the injectors and the rest of the fuel system and that it was an "old school" tip. The following is one of many methods for flushing an engine: You now have to make a choice: run the engine as is, or pull the heads and pan to check for damages. This old timer said that trans fluid is very good for the inner fuel system of a diesel engine but the Ford Dealer wont . Remove non-essential accessories that aren't required to make the engine rotate. There are times that I simply reach out for one particular can without knowing exactly WHY I picked THAT can over the others.. Has anyone ever used ATF as hand cleaner? I'm going to go with the ATF and Diesel mix. I had a stuck engine once that I had soaked with atf/acetone for over a year with no luck. and if your needing to use those additives too often, you need to buy better quality fuel. Remove spark plugs and spray Sea Foam Deep Creep [ one can on each side of block ] into cylinders and let sit for 1-2 days. The engine will now have a new place to rest while the lubrication seeps into the surfaces of the internals. At this point the starter motor was tried but the battery was too weak. One day, after about a week, I put a breaker bar on the flywheel and leaned into it just a bit. It is useful to get rid of the rusted problems in automobiles which are due to the reasons like rain or water or moisture for example. The bottom line, Moseson tells E4C, is that vegetable oil with 10 percent acetone is more effective at freeing seized bolts than WD-40, it's as effective as ATF and acetone, and it is more widely available in rural developing areas and kinder to the planet both in manufacture and disposal. The engine turned out to run great with good oil pressure and compression. Even if you specify a particular brand of ATF, the manufacturer may change the formula from time to time so you really do not know what you are getting. There are a lot of articles online touting a 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF as a penetrating oil. Each condition will require a different approach in most cases. Any piston which is at TDC or BDC will not give you any mechanical advantage in rotating the assembly by hitting it. Sitting on my bench as I write - WD-40, Kroil, Motorcraft Penetrating fluid, and a half dozen oddballs that seem to have materialized from nowhere but all of them are in really spiffy looking cans that cry out "I loosen shit" (the chemical version of a padded bra). This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. > For all of you that are mechanically inclined > Penetrating Oils Compared > > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. It's called BioBlend I don't know where he gets it from but I'll find out and let you know. If the engine was flooded excessively, there will be basically no oil left; it will have been pushed out by the rising water. If I see ATF on the 3rd day of estate sales when stuff is 25% of the price they show, I buy it and add it to my tractor's diesel fuel. 16, Savona, N.Y. 14879 (ph 607 776-4696), To read the rest of this story, download this issue below or click. Sign up for our Free bi-weekly newsletter with stories, tips and money saving ideas delivered to your e-mail. Just curious was the air cleaner in place? Do not turn it over with the starter till you are positive it is not hitting anything manually. It took over two weeks. Or just spend a few bucks on a large can of Marvel Mystery oil, WD-40, or PB Blaster. Believe it or not there is a reason ATF is used. After I applied some of my homemade penetrating oil I had no problem loosening the bolts." Ok, so I was talking to somebody the other day that had a pretty cool powerstroke and he was telling me that instead of using a diesel addative he uses ATF to clean his injectors, etc. Significant results! The decision to flush the engine will be left up to the person paying the bills. months[10]="October"; Like most of our projects tenacity is the key. I coulldn't believe the old thing cranked. Significant results! The electrical part is just the computer ativating the solenoid. Most importantly: Start by removing the air cleaner. Most likely your seized engine is not that bad. 2022 TractorByNet.com | TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners. Paint the Fastener Heads. Sulfuric acid in dirty oil will etch the bearing surfaces where it rests. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I would consider going up to 5%, but no more than that! Padgett hit it on the head with patience. Oct 30, 2009. A side-by-side comparison of the effectiveness of each additive is now obtainable. People use all kind of crap. 1 / 2. To be really sure, pop the caps and apply either assembly lube or motor honey. months[8]="August"; The engine then fired-up and ran OK and at this point the astonished seller rushed out and said "Are you an electrician or something?" Be sure of the bolt grades before applying force. Wait a minute, did I just read correctly that your taking diesel advice from a guy who owns a 6.0L powerstroke? (ENGLISH) Macoy AutoMoto Geek 510 views 3 years ago DIY. Using ATF is kind of old school. months[3]="March"; Best Penetrating Oil Test for Rust, Spark Plugs - ATF & ACETONE - Kroil - Bundys Garage - YouTube ATF and Acetone tested on a rusty screw, bolt, see what the results were of the Test.. I would be able to take you more seriously if your post didn't look like a 7-year-old wrote it. Do not use pulleys or the outside ring of balancers to turn over the engine if at all possible. Acetone is highly flammable, especially so when suspended in air and should be handled with care. http://www.oldbuickparts.com/product_info.php?products_id=708. We do know that when these oxides dry out they are usually hard to remove by any means other than mechanical (sanding or wire brush/wheel, sand/bead blasting). JavaScript is disabled. Starts and runs great now, hoping next spring to get it back on the road (working on brakes, they were a bigger mess than the engine). yep, be careful wiht penetrating oil- a little goes a long way. Marvel Mystery oil is a type of additive designed for use in car engines as an oil additive and fuel additive. I just came accross this stuff from a heavy truck mechanic friend of mine. Just let the bit vibrate the oak block and piston. Rodents like climbing down intake manifolds, now is a good time to check, any signs of rodents, I would pull the intake. Motorcraft cetane boost for added lubricity. Dry ice or even a carbon dioxide fire extinguisher are also very effective in creating sub zero temperatures (BP -57C). a machinist's magazine did a controlled (but unscientific) study on penetrating oils, and found that ATF mixed 50/50 with acetone outperformed all other . The reason that you are looking for moisture is to determine how much water could be within the engine. This last shop brew of 50% automatic transmission fluid and 50% acetone appears to beat out the commercially prepared products costing far more. I didn't want to drive to town so I thought I'd give this idea a try. Fortunately the defective alloy part had been discontinued and replaced with a steel part so the new part was bought and fitted. 11 oz. The government had on July 1 levied a new tax on domestically-produced crude oil as well as on the export of petrol, diesel and jet fuel (ATF) to take away windfall . The guy I bought it from bought the farm 4-5 years ago from family. If the engine has been flooded by means of overland flooding and rising water, then you could also have an accumulation of silt and dirt within the engine. Unfortunately even when the starting handle had timbers clamped on it for extra leverage the engine could still not be turned! If you are not in a hurry, just remove all the spark plugs and fill up the cylinders with some 50:50 mix. We have access to free lubricants. Marvel Mystery Oil is available in quarts, gallons, [] A forum community dedicated to custom off-road vehicle owners and enthusiasts. The kerosene breaks down the viscosity of the transmission fluid and allows it to penetrate easier. Again and again and again. It can and DOES burn when compressed to 400+ psi. My Dad (also an expert mind you) says to put a little in at a time. Diesel fuel reeks and will leave a foul smell on everything it comes in contact with. Dandy Dave. All you have to do for the moment is crack the rings loose a thousandth of an inch to allow the penetrating oil to get in between the rings and cylinder walls. I already have an AIRAID intake and saving for a tuner, makes you wonder "why the hell doesn't it come from the factory like this?". IDI diesel technology has not changed in a VERY long time. When the levy was first introduced, a windfall tax on export of petrol alongside diesel and ATF (Aviation Turbine Fuel) too was levied. atf has detergents in it, I have heard of people putting a quart of it in the engine oil shortly before a change to do some cleaning. Normally additives (not counting de-geling or similar) do one or more of three things. When pistons are stuck really hard, heat, the wood block and the sledgehammer may all fail. Allow time for the penetrant to work and don't get impatient. Hope for the best, expect theworst. ATF is added as a lubricant and cleaner in the transmission. Be sure to tap crank as mentioned in this article with longitudinal force, this seemed to be what caused it to "let go". Or it will tell you that the engine is well and truly frozen up and needs to be disassembled for a proper rebuild. Seems like a waste of money.. Just because you get it for free doesn't mean its a good idea. Diesel System Additives & Cetane Boosters. I still use ATF in my older diesels as I have for decades, and I will continue to use them in my diesels. Otherwise BONE STOCK! Car has been sitting for at least 5-7 years. You may get lucky selling when the bidders do not know when to stop bidding. On cars that you can drop the pan easilyI would always do so just to check things out. This is a perfect time to be wearing a good dust mask! Even a degree of movement or a thousandths of an inch is a start in moving the engine's reciprocating assembly. Box 1029 Especially since the brewers have been going with a "lower sulphur" blend of fuel. I'm sure it's a function of how long the engine's been sitting, and under what conditions. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif, has anybody here given ole "zep 45" a try? Basically a meaningless "study". JavaScript is disabled. Yep, only way to go in my opinion. The test was for 24 hours of rusting and only 3 samples of each penetrant. And if one bolt is good, a half a dozen would be better. Nov 30 '99 build engine with 16 K miles, Fluidampr, Comp Cam 910 springs, Melling LPOP and ARP headstuds but otherwise stock. Should you choose to use ATF and acetone, be aware that the two components don't actually mix. Observe as you do this if the fan or crank pulley has moved slightly, if the valves have moved, and if the starter is fully engaging into the flywheel. var time=new Date(); India. In some cases, you can open an engine block tap or remove a water jacket stud to look for coolant, too. Even with lubricant that scale is going to be dragged along with the piston and rings. Some 2 stroke dirt bikes actually use Type F in their manual transmissions. Sparkplugs back in, some gas down the carb, and it started but ran on 7 cylinders. WD 40 or kerosene may work but are not as effective as some of the others fluids mentioned. I started to talk with the friend of mine that introduced me to it, he is a truck tech for a company that mixes and distributes bio-blended fuel. Note: Some years ago, a machinist's magazine did a controlled (but unscientific) study on penetrating oils, and found that ATF mixed 50/50 with acetone outperformed all other penetrating oils by a wide margin. in a grocery store parking lot. What is "dipping" and who does it and what leads them to do it? Penetrating oils discussion in the Allis Chalmers forum at Yesterday's Tractors. Refill with clean motor oil and install a new filter. I have great luck with brake fluid in the past. months[9]="September"; The original homemade penetrating oil mixture called for using trichloroethelyne as the solvent. Back to top jim buford Regular Joined: 20 Jan 2016 Posts: 465 Mix 1 part MMO, 1 part WD-40 Specialist, 1 part PB Blaster and 1 part ATF -the cheap stuff works just fine as you will be draining. If you believe that why aren't you running straight ATF all the time? Additives in an LBZ are not necessary but if you want to run some then it is best to use something made for the purpose. Is it good enough for these old 1.6 engines or does it affect the tdi's more. 2000 Excursion Limited 7.3 - 229,000 Miles - In KY near Frankfort - $20,500. An engine that was in a covered shed, had no visible sign of water infiltration, and was full of oil and coolant- but stuck- is usually an easy fix. 5.0. You have good advice above. Charge up the battery, clean the cables and make sure all electrical connections are tight. Used to add it to the tank of the 1983 Benz diesel we had, but I won't put it in the new 2010 TDI. Penetrating Oil Fast acting. Using a flush to clean it out won't accomplish much except to loosen what there is in there already. That seems like WAY WAY more of anything other than diesel if you ask me. I tried everything on a hemi Chrysler that had sat outdoors withoutheads and oil paninc. acid, penetrating oil, and other things. Or save it for a LEAKY transmission? GEEZ, don't miss an opportunity to jump at someone! There are tales of Coke being used to loosen a stuck engine. It may not display this or other websites correctly. She knows that it is increasing the maintenance that her truck needs but is still committed to saving the planet. While that's working, (if the engine is in a vehicle) back off on the fan belts, remove the air cleaner and valve covers. Success can be attained in unsticking an engine in vehicles equipped with a manual transmission on a number of occasions by using the pre-soaking methods mentioned above. . 85w90 Gear Oil. Adding ATF to diesel is an old practice dating from the days when ATF was just oil not the modern concoction it is now. Mine: 2003 7.3L F350 Lariat Crew Cab Long bed 4x4, 6" RevTech Suspension lift w/ 37" Toyo MT's, AMSOIL fluids front to rear, AMSOIL BK-11 Single Bypass filter, all else is stock (for now). If the engine is all together you may have success by running hot water through the engine. I had used Marvel Mystery Oil in the past, but have more recently used a 50/50 mix of Diesel and ATF successfully-, Wish I had tried those back in the '70s when I sold the very solid but "stuck engine" '50 Mercury "James Dean" coupe for $800. It would be interesting to hear the story ofwhy the hood was removed? Is it the piston(s), the crank, the cam and valve train, the rods, or a combination of all these? You never know. Darned if it didn't rollover. Is it good enough for these old 1.6 engines or does it affect the tdi's more. I agree that something needs to be used as an additive but ATF wouldnt be mt choice, Never know exactly whats in there fer sure, My choice is any fuel aditive as thats what it is made for, Atf wont help as a centane booster or a anti-gel, there are many quality additives out there that will have the whole package,I know in the olden days alot of folks would use their used motor oil in their fuel too. Marvel Mystery Oil is just "a light lubricating oil with wintergreen fragrance", per Consumer Reports magazine. Question: In you're experience, what percentage of stuck engines don't suffer lasting practical damage from being struck (if properly "un-stuck" using the procedures you mention)? They treated the nuts with a variety of penetrants and measured the torque required to loosen them. Crank keys and keyways can shear with abnormal force. The mechanic at a place I worked used to tell me to take a small tub and mix ATF/acetone in a 50/50 and soak anything that was covered in rust in it for a day or two. . even though their fuel costs are down, your useage of FUEL, not diesel will be up running heavy oil blends. Good time to pour some penetrant on the valve guides and down the intake. We use Kroil when I can liberate a pint or so from work, or BG's "InForce" and a clone called "Trust-It" made by another company I don't remember right now. On cylinders that are not under compression, the compressed air will distribute the penetrating oil. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I don't run any additives in my dmax, but check on the powerservice. When I was filling up my truck tonight,a guy with a 1995 3500 box truck told me to add a quart of atf to each tank of fuel.He said his truck has 350,000 miles on the origional motor,and runs like the day he bought it (and has never even had the valve cover taken off).Is this a common practice,either with atf or some other additive?Just wondering what the experts here think. This is the method we use in the Junk yard. . It was amazing how that nasty black oil had protected everything over the years. I've used ATF/Diesel fuel or K-1 for along time, I'll mix up some with acetone right away and give it a try. Took them off and sure enough I had a bent push rod. You are using an out of date browser. In any case one also needs to consider the three-score-and-ten aspect when undertaking such lengthy tasks. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Most metals will form what is known as an oxide, where oxygen from the air mixes on the surface with the base metal. Under safe controlled conditions, pour equal small amounts of diesel fuel, ATF, two-stroke oil, and some diesel conditioner onto separate pie plates or equivalent heatable containers. We used ATF and diesel fuel mixed together for years and it worked as well as anything else. 16oz of Marvel Mystery Oil every other fillup seems to be doing the trick for me. I lubed and turned the motors numerous times over about 10 days. Thank you all for your replies.I guess I should be putting something in the tank every other fill up,and it wont be atf !I will go to Pep Boys or Kragen or the like and see whats available.Thanks again,and Happy Holidays to you all. by: Alittle1, Cobalt327, Countryboytn, Crashfarmer, Crosley, GypsyR, Jon(Click here to edit this page anonymously, or register a username to be credited for your work.). Engines from boats which have sunk are much more difficult. Usually just loosening the belts will help with this. Get it down to where you can have a good look around and see where the problem area lies. For those of you that use Standyne; do notice any benefit? That is where I would start. others will use the . Trying to force the starting handle stripped the thread on the aluminum alloy jaw nut so that method of attack had failed. Even though both filters carry out the same function, they do it on different engine fluids. 2X on the ATF and diesel, (I also like Marvel Mystery Oil)couple teaspoons down each plug hole weekly, breaker bar on the crank and wiggle daily, she will be spinning by spring. Diesel fuel is a middle-of-the-road fluid that will creep, coat and stay wet over time but reeks to high hell and will stink up everything it contacts- you included. When the rings break free you will see your lube run past them into the block. Beyond that, there may be no damage done. Reply; Diesel DAN April 19th, 2017 . This is a former animal barn and hay storage. Paste as plain text instead, Continue to turn crank in small increments. Worth it's weight in gold if you ask me. You cannot paste images directly. The tip also stated only do this with the 7.3, because the fuel system in the 6.0 has too much pressure. Often water down the exhaust on old tractors is not uncommon. Lakeville, MN 55044 May take a week or two with a little attention every day. Use whichever is accessible with the least effort. months[6]="June"; "I came up with the idea one day when I ran out of penetrating oil. . And what is the deal with the new low sulphur fuel is this stuff gonna mess the enging car right up? works fine done it and with good results its no different than using two stroke oil in your fuel same deal adds lubricity and atf unlike 2 stroke oil has awesome cleaning properties. There is a belief among a scattering a diesel owners, mainly long time.older.diesel owners that purports adding ATF, used filtered motor oil, or just about any similar lubricant to diesel fuel can essentially "cut" diesel costs and make the engine run better. Kroil was my go to for a long time and is still good stuff but it's gotten expensive. dont do it. Use plenty of penetrant in each spark plug hole and allow to sit for a few hours. My current bargain mix is 85% ATF and 15% RUG (Unleaded Gasoline). Works awesome on rust(Yes we do get a few eastwest cars through our doors here in AZ! Get a long breaker bar with the appropriate socket for the front pulley bolt. Toothpaste for polishing? And the type of engine it is, but I'm just curious. they say it more of a solvent instead of a lubricant. And what is the deal with the new low sulphur fuel is this stuff gonna mess the enging car right up? Concensus between the two of us says it should work and seeing as you can get a gallon of bio for 3 dollars vs. 12 bucks a can of this stuff I'm tempted to try it so when I can evaluate it I'll let you all know. Filling the filter with fuel before you install it, makes for less pumping of the little primer button, but if you like to push on that thing a bunch, have at it. So don't expect results in a couple days - Patience. This takes HOT water, 180 degree or so. Order by Phone 800-834-9665, SUBSCRIBE If you do not use oil and fluid that meets the defined specification and viscosity grade, it could result in: Component damage not covered by the vehicle warranty. Mud DriverI: 79 F150 built 400M, 35x14.5x15 boggers, 4" lift, 9"R, D44 F, NP435, NP203 : The injectors can hadel just fine. The formula oil is mixed with 20 parts to about 30 parts of hydrocarbon-based viscosity controller having a viscosity of from between about 75 to about 200 SSU and from about 65 to about 80 parts. I get feelings about these kinds of things. A number of years ago I ended up witha rather big T-head that had been sitting untouched since 1933. Basically a new knuckle head driver took one of the trucks to the gas station and literally gassed it up. If you must put something in stick with the real additives and not the old IDI diesel archive stuff. If adding oil the mixture ratio is 1% In USA that's about 1qt to 25 gal. Also have added 4 oz. I had to change an EGRTA sensor on a 6.4l, I spritzed real quick and had a cigarette to let it soak, the thing broke loose with three fingers and a stubby wrench. Along with 2cycle oil and the likes. If you followed the firing order of the engine, you could determine which are open cylinders and which are closed. There are several things you can do to help prevent the bolt getting stuck in the first place. ATF is an oil just like diesel, peanut oil, WVO whatever. SAE 90 Gear Oil. The last visit the clutch pedal was squeeking and binding. TS Performance flip chip. Independent testing of penetrating oils using a single steel bar with 1/2"x20 nuts torqued to 50 ft/lbs and treated with a 10% salt water solution that was allowed to rust. Keep watching the old guys pay attention to what they do - because a lot of it is so second nature that they don't think to tell you about it. I am running 2:1 Aft to Diesel. Brake fluid is sometimes used in place of ATF. acetone and ATF works good I've learned, also. Both PSF and ATF will form emulsions with acetone under mild agitation sufficient to thin the oil enough to penetrate. It was a great van and basically all it needed was two weeks of soaking with releasing fluid, a new battery and some attention to the ignition circuit. Exceeding the torque rating of the crank bolt can - and will - snap it off, costing a lot of time and trouble to fix. Fill it up with a fluid that will penetrate and lubricate the stuck surfaces. 4 Stroke Engine Oil; 2 Stroke Engine Oil; 2 Stroke Engine Oil; Fuel Additives; Agricultural; earthmoving; industrial . Drove away in a cloud of smoke though. ATF or automatic transmission fluid is designed for exactly that, automatic transmissions. That what I was thinking damn just drop an extra dollar on the right stuff.. ATF will eventually eat diesel injectors if used a lotit has FRICTION MODIFIERS in it which act the opposite of a lubricant. My Store: Find a store near you. See thats what I thought also but just checked out some disesl. I started to tear the engine down thinking I had an irretrievable mess. Apply more oil and wait. First, a 12-volt Tuthill transfer pump. The safestanswer is to pull the heads. Exhaust manifolds were not covered well enough with a open exhaust valve and. All with varying degrees of success. It is also used as a lubricant for engine parts and as a penetrating oil. most atf is red will that die the fuel red? it became a Roach Motel. If you really want to save it correctly, pull the heads most likely it is only one cylinder that is stuck. I did a bed off restoration a year ago with a coat of POR-15, primer, and paint and it's rusting again. Loaded question. depends on the damage My guess is yourswill be easy, worst case just have the engine rebuilt. If the water is from an external source such as rain, and it came into the air cleaner via the butterfly stud on the air cleaner, chances are there is only a small quantity in only a few of the engine bores. If some all-thread can be obtained that will fit the stud holes in the block a hydraulic jack can be rigged-up but the key ingredient is TIME. Never put "Type F" in anything but a ford transmission!!! How well has diesel fuel worked as a penetrating oil for you? > For all of you that are mechanically inclined > Penetrating Oils Compared > > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. I have used in the past brake fluid and ATF mixture. Article. Using nuts and bolts that they scientifically rusted to a uniform degree by soaking in salt water, they then tested the break-out torque required to loosen the nuts. Aviation Turbine Fuel price on Thursday was slashed by 2.3 per cent to Rs 1,17,587.64 per kl in Delhi.This can be attributed to softening of international oil prices, however, petrol and diesel rates remained on freeze for a record eighth month in running. Once the motor breaks free you can rotate the motor to squeeze most of the grease out of the spark plug hole. // Y2K Fix, Isaac Heat all until they evaporate/burn off. It might be dry now, but look for evidence of there having been standing water in the past. Note - use the 1" socket on the Engine rotation adapter or you will break the tool from force on the internal 1/2" drive cut out while trying to break the engine free. Post in the forum instead. 02 F250XLT SD CC LB 4X4, Silver, SD Air Lifts, 4R100, Westin Sportsman grill/brushguard, Leer Shell, AIS Severe Duty w/added fender intake, Edge EVO running 80 HP, ISSPRO's w/cubby mount, Rancho 9000X's, Banks 3 1/2" downpipe, BTM, 3 1/2" exhaust front to rear with 5" stainless tip. The questioon always in the back of my mind is "why was it parked in the first place ?" Contact: FARM SHOW Followup, William W. Burlew, 8961 Cty. DPF Cleaners. I wouldn't buy a car with a stuck engine unless I wanted it enough to rebuild the engine or to flip it and makes a few bucks for another car. Copyright 2005- var today = new Date(); today = today.getFullYear(); document.write(today); Keith Browning It'll be hard and brittle. Save yourself waiting around and longer life to the engine. Sign up for a new account in our community. You'll be turning it over without spark plugs, so watch for spray coming out of the plug holes. If you apply enough force in the proper direction, yes it would help. Acetone can also be used in combination with automatic transmission fluid to create an effective penetrating oil. Just used all methods above and freed up Mercruiser 200 that sat for 2 years with oil drain pug removed and water filling up the oil pan. You don't want to get anywhere near transimmission seals- they don;'t like each other. I am an expert on these kinds of things. ^ To clarify on his points, ATF has "friction modifiers" which I've heard will scrub out your IP and injectors like sandpaper. Ijust revived my second Graham the had been sittingfor over 40 years. Warning: Use good eye protection. Tru-Cool 4590. I recently started an engine sitting for 70 years. 12 Oz. 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