She no longer attended church (for at least a year) and she no longer trusted Jesus. Another case of a desperate preacher caught with his hand in the cookie jar looking for an excuse and sympathy from gullible followers. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. He is the founder of the Willow Creek Association and creator of the Global Leadership Summit . Awkwardly I stayed and we talked for about twenty minutes. 1:17-25 ESV). At this same meeting, Bill was asked about his special arrangement with I.T., where his emails are permanently deleted on a frequent and regular basis. A high five or handshake can do the same. No one knows. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. When one person has an experience like this with a trusted friend and spiritual leader, they typically dont know how to make sense of it. This is a well worn story, insert Pastor name here, insert church name here. Not one. why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? he shoveled my walkway and came to the neighborhood potlucks? Written in 1999! We were just people who assumed the best of those who claimed to be leading in the name of God. Jesus takes care of the harvest. To teach Nancy a lesson with deflection? And with Invocation of GAWD subbing for the Ludes and Roofies. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. Bye! I am a Billy Graham fan, just so you know. Dont ever close the door to the tutoring office if a student is in there *especially female students. Theres theory, and then practise. Tsk.) come out of the woodwork. That said, I am still very thankful for the work of Willow Creek. Family. I had the same thought about his promotion of women. Its all lies doesnt cut it and sounds ridiculous. Rob Bells questioning of Hell has earned him a spot on the heresy list. Since there's been no follow-up on their proposed Sunday morning mention of Hybels, it's safe to assume that multiple sources have told them that they made a grievous error to even suggest such a disgusting gesture. Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. Swimming in a mile-wide creek, one-inch deep. @ dee: I mean, most say they want the truth. Not atypical. What nonsense. Lynne Hybels Bill (281 results). And what is important here is that authoritarian control, often gained through emotional, spiritual and or sexual abuse is frequently used to establish control and enable institutions to achieve whatever it is their true agendas are. He didnt seem to follow Yahwehs rules much anyway. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Willow Creek was promoted by Hybels as a model for all of christendom, Look at me, I have the answers. At times it became oppressive for those churches that were told to tear up their foundations and follow The Model. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. I hope they will be held accountable and step down. Status? 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). He is met with a standing ovation and a promised time to honor him and his family. Your man-made system may not have won, but the winner here may be the truth, you know. It has bearing but perhaps not in the way that Jodi intends. Strange things are happening on Twitter on this case. To fellowship with other believers? I dont know what mainstream is for this topic. I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. Yep and the email deal reminds me of someone else. I have big concerns about lumping everything under that umbrella. And the devil is not after your church, WC. It took her a long time to get up the courage to say enough was enough. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. If/when he does come forward to confess and repent of past bad behavior, he and Willow Creek elders will no longer be viewed as honest and credible among the remaining members. If there is one thing I find the most comprehensively evil is manipulative deception. Do you believe it is someone posing as her, or do you think she is in on it? Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. For the whole world-system, based as it is on mens primitive desires, their greedy ambitions and the glamour of all that they think splendid, is not derived from the Father at all, but from the world itself. (1 John 2:16 Phillips), And then theres this: Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel Read the books and follow the formula. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. Some people, educated people, decent people, never talked. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. I went back to my hotel room and cried, not understanding what had just happened. A year later they started Willow Creek Community Church. Nothing really bad happened. This is church. I think I hugged my coworker of ten years when he retired, Paul actually recommends we greet one another with a holy kiss.. A quick glance at google and apparently hugging is drugging when it comes to the brain. January 28, 2020 8:39 pm. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? Thank you for bringing this to everyones attention!! Lets go a little deeper. As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? Stop blaming women for getting assaulted. Look for similarities with the other victims testimonies. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. Yes, we left HBC ourselves. The solution? This is centralized and IT probably has a means if necessary of reading the email (though it probably requires fairly high level authorization). LOL. @ dee: Solomon, Bathshebas second son by David. Soon as your back was turned, the mask flipped off like a light switch and there was only the contempt of the Predator gloating over the stupidity of his Prey. And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. At CertainPublicSchool kids have been caught in the rest room actually having sex as well as dosing on drugs. That is hard to deal with. The Eurythmics. Fact is, mind control has been extensively researched, and is helpful in nearly any institution, be it a corporation, university, athletic team, military unit or, yes, church. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. I know. Because saving his legacy saves Willow Creek. This year in 2018, Bill has been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynne founded. Come Lord Jesus! Hybel's father was an entrepreneur in wholesale produce whose work ethic was the model for his son. manner, outline your thinking and why you believe it to be true. Its not the victim. @ jackie: Having been a nurse, I told him I found it rather odd that he was focusing on one of the more rare side effects, and that he brought it up to me at all. No one I know here has a problem with redemption. Peter was upset. You were there (especially for children) We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years and were sad when the Ortbergs left to California. (A bit dogmatic, huh? I think the *Ambien* excuse is important in this account. (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. As weve seen in recent years, email and other digital documents have become important sources of evidence in various kinds of disputes and court cases. Who wants to stir that pot over something potentially ambiguous? As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. Dont allow it in your personal life. Buy my books, listen to my sermons, attend my conferences! I have recently become Lutheran. Our job is to sow seeds. Just wondering??? 20 years later Ive served in ministry as well as a school administrator for small and very large public high schools. What happened to people? @ Jack: In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. Because I handled it in the moment (As she did with her push away response to Hybels) And it worked. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. I dont know about anybody else, but when I see something bonkers like that I tend to leave it alone, @ Forrest: Certainly does not sound like the sort of objective, information-seeking statement one would expect from an informational meeting. So sad. That ambien thing sounds like plausible deniability, doesnt it? Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. He is the founder and CEO of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), one of the most powerful and influential organizations globally. Position? How to Resign from a Church My answer is quite simple. I grew up around some. When was the last time you led someone to Jesus? They adopted the commercial business approach. Rags to Riches to Rags in three generations. On Tuesday, Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels announced that he's resigning amid sexual-misconduct allegations made by church members and employees. The woman alleging an affair with Bill said that she was suicidal, both to Leanne and to Bill. All about leadership, leadership, leadership. In light of the testimonies of additional women who suffered his unwanted attentions, the only remaining question is how many women were victimized and how long has this been going on. My mom was abused sexually. @ AbuseCrusher: Anyone questioning the purpose of this blog should realize that when churches and relgious leaders put themselves out there accountabilty comes with that publicity. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. Being gracious, forbearing people who do not want to hold our pastor to the standard of perfection, we persuade ourselves that we misread the situation, misunderstood the words, are making too big a deal of silly things, and so on. Really? Actually, hugging creates a release of oxytocin (also known as the cuddle hormone) in the human body, which can artificially create a sense of trust and closeness. In my opinion this is sufficient proof to logically and reasonably conclude that Bill Hybels is guilty of clergy sexual misconduct and adultery, over an extended period of time. There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. Thats a laugh. How can this stand unchallenged? By your own philosophy of hugging then i would assume that the women who are complaining about Hybels hugging behavior also know the difference and therefore they are utterly correct in their objections to his behavior. Perhaps. Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse My professional organization will not do that In fact, we are specifically instructed how to do email when legally sensitive information is invloved. I would have probably rolled my eyes at Vonda on stage in 2003 because I despised the commercial entertainment mega world by then. Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. : Maybe He is cleaning house. August 7, 2018. I do wonder what the men exchanging holy kisses in bible times did for their brains. They have changed so many lives for the good. If we are not to judge, why would there be a list of sins in the Bible, including in the NT, with an admonishment to punish people via church discipline. -Behaviors went on for many years The Buckner Show has been cancelled; we now return this time slot to the regularly-scheduled Wartburg Watch.. We have not seen courageous leadership. Wow!!! The worst that often has happened is some vague mumbled half-apology or copping to a general misunderstanding. Thanks Dee. Oh dear. Given the name Cephas, walking on water (for a time), given the keys of the kingdom and the charge to strengthen the brethren and feed the Lords sheep, speaking out on Pentecost after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, sharing the Gospel with Cornelius and the Gentiles, and everything else listed in Acts 1-15. It frustrates me that victims have to endure more pain when they come forward. And Charisma House/new Mark Driscoll book . Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . (Usually seeker Megas go with you are just human and made mistakes and not you are a worm so its to be expected. Which means nothing just happened, it was planned out and purposeful. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. Is that honest? Who would I tell? I try to look for the patterns and tactics of the perps and their enablers. . This is why I have posted the 1 Tim 5 passage in two threads recently: Just read what the Bible says about leaders and ask, Is it even possible that God would set these high standards for elders/overseers/pastors and then only give us promiscuous, abusive, and manipulative leaders?. Is this a ruse to further that idea? I was speaking more generally, I dont hug men at work! Im thinking of 2 comments right now from over a year ago in which you reposted comments you attempted to post elsewhere. And it all comes cloaked in the name of the Christianity and the Church. Glad I found that out. You can trust Jesus and He is your perfect role model. It goes with safe spaces at college. I know. Pulling the of the devil card is vintage playbook. Where is the debater of this age? We got in deep, and had a very tough time when we got out. Kids will tell you straight up, but I kind of treat them like stray cats and let them come to me! Nothing can really tear down the church, as I think it was Law Prof that said, but people can get pretty mad when their fantasy of church and the people that promote that fantasy are shown to be very imperfect. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. She is the co-founder of Willow Creek Community Church, and wife to Bill Hybels the founder and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church. And why on earth is this even a discussion? A dishonest person disposes everything in the hope that nothing will ever be retrieved that reveals his guilt. Source: www.dailyherald.com. I know, Ive been there. Sounds like wing ding anti Semitic tripe. Among the prominent U.S. and Palestinian church voices who spoke was Lynne Hybels, co-founder with her pastor husband Bill of the Chicago area Willow Creek Church, which itself spawned a . So just what is romance? Okay, now is my choice to reference David. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). I could be misconstruing everything & he may just be being over-sympathetic to me as a now single woman, trying to be nice, trying to be helpful (which he is to everyone). Sigh. I do believe that he may have gone through a time of repentance and contrition, as much as he may understand that he needs to, and has come to the other side of it and that is the reason that he may not seem as repentant as they expect. It took a long time for her to get past that. There are too many similarities between their stories. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? Jan 13, 2018. Its been drilled into our heads and many are convinced if the perp or deceiver is confronted (even years later) they will repent. Your boss? And it shall come to pass that, like as I have watched over them to pluck up and to break down and to overthrow and to destroy and to afflict, so will I watch over them to build and to plant, saith Jehovah. (Jeremiah 31:28), @ Davis and Natasha: Dont confuse the two. Do it on your personal, not work, email. I dont know if that all makes sense. Im probably sensitive about this because Ive seen the this is what you get for being an egalitarian on social media and it drives me nuts. Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. The entire Gospel is predicated on the fact that we are sinners and that we are going to be sinners until we go home. We know about this link. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey.. Hybels was an early god of the mega how to manual. I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way. Darn it! Got to stop that! It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. Chicago Tribune article #5, by Manya Brachear Pashman. Of course not. Betrayal, trust, etc. And what does Lynne Hybels think about all of this? Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. Sexual predation is not based on *wanting to have sex. Testimony of victims and witnesses is not gossip. LOL I sure never did on the few creepy weirdo hugs I was subjected to! I have been doing this for 9 years and that is jus plain baloney. If this very not such a serious matter, their would be some humor in this. The church is one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. I informed my boss. There is a reason that statute of limitations are being revised throughout the country. Thanks for sharing the link. No quid pro quo to substantiate. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. 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