Which does what it says on the tin. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. JavaScript is disabled. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. It does because it's public perception. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. It's the name of the island ffs. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. Old does not necessarily = bad. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. 1948 -. It'll be operated quite differently. I can only see negatives. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? for some form of co-branding. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. I'm inclined to disagree. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. The name is still awful though and far too long. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) This idea often seems to pop its head up. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. You are using an out of date browser. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. Home Forums Now there's a system others can look up to. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being It still has to look good decades from now. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. It's the name of the island ffs. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. Read about the differences between Britain, the. ScotRail was the brand name under which British Rail operated passenger services in Scotland and cross border services to Northern England and London. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. . On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. BRs own history says otherwise. True. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L the handling/liability of pensions etc. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. Nothing to bring it all together. JavaScript is disabled. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Beattie acknowledges how Ulsters separate unionist parties weaken the Union. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. (60163 still carries this livery in 2018) Black. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. Bare minimum. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. Northern and TPE split into separate Northwest and Northeast brands. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. Feb 1, 2020. Swiss rail. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . I could see those different types of logos being used across scenarios. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. But theres no particular reason this should be. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". You are using an out of date browser. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? Home Forums OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. JavaScript is disabled. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. Home Forums [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. 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