So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. John MacArthur. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. PPS. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Simply not true. If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. Each person will answer to God for themselves. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. I surrendered to a calling of God. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. Sums it all up. I have not misrepresented what you said. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. What is there to apologise for? It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. Were deeply grateful for that. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? I find this very revealing. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. MacArthur responded, "Go home." Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). And lets talk about finance. Could you tell me the difference? Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. by RELEVANT. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. It all depends how you measure success! Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. Not on Amazon it aint! Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. I dont do stock answers. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. It just looks weird. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. Conclusion: And now I wait. He was unable to preach the second service. 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MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). You are just exporting your own. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . 2. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. Its always good to get correction! 4) Wrong on all counts. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. 4, 3-4). Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. You were rightthat was not very mature. all Christians are the same etc. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. Thanks for this. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Required fields are marked *. rm. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. They drift from church to church. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. Finally that book! You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. If you dont like it, too bad. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). God is everywhereeven in the news. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. Can I suggest an alternative standard? Truth in love. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Hardly the same as Furticks message! Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. pokmon the series xyz. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. . If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Legal Statement. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). But again I explained why I chose Dallas. The Amazon website only has E S Williams book on sale as 30:08.! Opinion Preston Clegg. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. I did read your comments. Period. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. Dear David, Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. I'm a bank robber."[41]. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm.
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