Existence of the TVA absolutely ruins this scene for me because it doesn't matter how many outcomes they lose, the TVA were always waiting in the wings to step in and prune the timeline should they fail. to Dream Walk, giving him the chance to venture across the multiverse and puppet his variants. You may have also seen/heard him on the Total Geekall podcast, unaffiliated YouTube channels, BBC Radio and CBC News. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. He currently lives in the United States and writes about Marvel, DC, Star Wars and other properties. Thus,while he may not have been trying to save Earth specifically, his Snap still would've saved half the population. new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. In light of this, a recent fan theory proposes that Strange foresaw the emergence from Eternals. Offers may be subject to change without notice. With the heroes of the MCU seemingly less conditioned to the bizarre limits of the multiverse, they may not have been able to counter before it destroyed their universe in the process. This exposed him to new plans and ways to combat Thanos, hinting that there may have been solutions present that didn't require Doctor Strange's plan in the MCU. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Brandon Zachary is a Senior Writer with Comic Book Resources and has written for CBR since 2018. Thanos had to win. WebWhile on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. and Strange responds "If I tell you, it won't happen" (I'm paraphrasing here, these might not be their exact quotes), but we can infer that means that Strange thinks he's still on track with his vision (If we were already off track he could just say "No this different already but it doesn't mean its impossible to win" or something like that). Just two years later, Doctor Strange found himself fighting another near unstoppable force who threatened mass destruction: Thanos. Bureaucracy being mightier than any super weapon is a a peery funny trope, but also true IRL. @doomstoaa: Again where was it confirmed he could do the time loop specifically again outside of Dormammus dimension lol? The theory is very convincing, as it's true that without the Snap, Earth would've likely been destroyed. They all play an important part in the battle and in Endgame. Their leader Ajak may not have been inspired by Tony Stark's sacrifice and had the realization that Earth is worth saving. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone and saw the one (and only) path to victory over Thanos. The team utilized the Book of Vishanti to come out of this battle on top as Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. However based on onscreen feats, I'm not sure either of them could counter the effect of time Stone. I never understood why he didnt open a portal on his left arm while they had him unconscious and then just close it off removing the arm and gauntlet. Strange decided that he can not leave it up to chance. Many have assumed the Sorcerer Supreme is playing a long game, one that extends beyond his death at the snapof the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet after viewing over 14 million possible futures (14,000,605, to be precise) before his fight, though it is unclear how this will ultimately unfold in Avengers: Endgame. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. In 2016's Doctor Strange, Stephen uses the Time Stone to age an apple forward in time, watching it rot in the span of seconds. With that in mind, Strange was counting on Thanos using the fully-powered Gauntlet to render it useless following the snap before posthumously enacting his master plan to somehow undo its effects. Even Thanos himself questions it during their fight. But a key moment in Avengers: Mech Strike #4 might as well have been written as a rebuttal to Strange's inaction in the film. For the same reason he didn't just cut Thanos' hand off or his head like they did the other guy. The trio run into more than half of the Guardians of the Galaxy, including Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), Drax (Dave Bautista), and Nebula (Karen Gillan). After the game-changing events of Avengers: Endgame, Marvel Studios hasn't slowed downwith the story delivered thus far in Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What i'm curious about is why strange didnt use the time stone from the past to restore his own so that future threats like dormmamu wont be a problem. Marvel Reveals How Doctor Strange Could Have Beat Thanos With Time, The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat, Captain Marvel Is Stronger Than Aquaman - Even Underwater, Star Trek's New Spock Upgrade Totally Changes His Vulcan Biology, Wolverine Cosplay Proves His Comic Costume Is Terrifying in Live-Action, Calvin And Hobbes: 10 Facts You Never Knew About Bill Watterson's Comic Strip. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. And found that his passion lays in scriptwriting, where he can combine his love of movies, writing, and storytelling. RELATED: Doctor Strange 2 Already Proved the Most Powerful Avenger's Worst Loss Made Him Stronger. Even during a recently released Eternals deleted scene, Sprite and Makkari have a conversation about the worth of the human population. While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. With T'Challa and Shuri among those lost to Thanos' snap, there may be no other surviving individuals from Earth capable of deciphering and repurposing the advanced technology, making the trade-off for Stark's life even more necessary. On-screen stone feats only. Could literally just slip the gauntlet right off, behead him, cut off his arms, anything, and all before he'd have time to react. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Its a very stringent criteria for a victory. Not a victory. Looking back at this scene, it appears that Thanos was well on his way to replicating what he did in the prime MCU as he fought the Illuminati on Titan. He was putting all his focus into stopping Kaecilius and then reversing time. Ya, Ive seen one theory saying the power stone over-rules the other stones. However, as the 2016 Doctor Strange film suggested, tampering with time comes with its own costs, including the distinct possibility of Thanos being trapped in a time loop if he potentially attempted to repair the Gauntlet. It will be interesting to see the role it likely plays. In the comics, Drax is not only much stronger than his on-screen counterpart, he was essentially created to defeat Thanos. . . . . . . . . . . Just And also, it's unknown how far into the future Strange peered, as the Emergence was ready around one year after the events of Endgame, meaning he would've had to have looked pretty far into each future. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of Free creative use of the stones' implied abilities UNRESTRICTED by what was shown on-screen (within reason/logics). So, even if the reality stone or space stone could be used in ways to counteract the time stone, Thanos himself would need adequate time for his body to actually respond to the stimulus, which he wouldn't be able to do with time stopped/slowed significantly. He once asked Tom Cruise about his supposedly fake-butt in Valkyrie (he swore it was all real). While there may have been other means, the cost to the heroes (and the world as a whole) would have been too great for the Avengers to take. Dormammu resides in a different dimension, not a different universe. This bit brings up an interesting detail. Running out of options on their world, this variant of Strange elected to use the corrupting evil tome, the Darkhold. Thats the way he got Peter to pop out of different portals while fighting Thanos as well as Mantis dropping down on his head. Admittedly, there is a lot of debate over what exactlyDoctor Strange was doing in Infinity War - after seeing 14,000,605 futures, he decided to give Thanos the Time Stone, enabling him to ultimately kill half the universe - but this one aspect seems a cut-and-dry oversight. The Mad Titan could avoid this risk entirely, or it could spell out his final fate as part of Strange's larger plan. Ant-man pops out kicks off the time heist. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. With the Avengers locking Thanos in place and almost taking the Gauntlet, it could be assumed that they would've beaten him and taken all the Infinity Stones back. In Thanos had the infinity gauntlet, he probably has a better chance of winning but doctor Strange if one of the more smart characters in the MCU, I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. In Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, Strange made it clear that there was only one way to defeat Thanos among more than 14 million options that he looked into. While Strange could control time with the WebDr. I think that is a big reason why the avengers lost in Infinity war. Marvel confirms Doctor Strange could have easily stopped Thanos by using a horrific time-manipulation technique. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of them showing the Avengers victorious. Dr. @kell_saloks: I don't think Strange can use another spell while doing time-stop. Directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, Avengers: Endgame stars Robert Downey Jr., Josh Brolin, Mark Ruffalo, Tom Hiddleston, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Chris Pratt, Elizabeth Olsen, Chadwick Boseman, Sebastian Stan, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany, Samuel L. Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Benedict Wong, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan, Vin Diesel, Dave Bautista, Pom Klementieff, Scarlett Johansson, Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie. Yes, its Thanos. Tony Stark must do enough damage to Thanos to make him bleed and demonstrate to him that he can be defeated. In a random encounter, the answer is obvious. Doctor Strange would utterly wreck Thanos with his powers. Doctor Strange at regular levels can even Since Thanos exists inside the time, his memory will be reset, therefore the time loop won't make him tired and fall like it did to Dormammu. Or maybe mind stone could take over DS mind and force him to undo/give up, but Thanos do not have time Stone here so that is out of the option. 8 Doctor Doom. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. Doctor Strange beat Dormammu by trapping him in a time loop. While Strangemay not have intervenedbecause he foresaw Thanos eventually using the Gauntlet either way, the fan theory suggests that he actually wanted the Snap to occur. Warning - the rest of this article contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. During the battle on Titan at the end ofInfinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to prevent Thanos from winning in the long run. We assume Strange still has precog information before Tony's snap from the dialogue; Tony asks "Is this it? The following contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, now playing in theaters. This hints at the true cost of Doctor Strange subverting his plans from Infinity War and Endgame. Looking for all the world like a vengeful Hamlet, Kang holds aloft Thanos' skull, triumphant. the Mind Stone, the Time Stone, and the Soul Stone. GTA 6: Did Rapper 50 Cent Just Tease His Role In Next Grand Theft Auto? With the supporting power from space stone, soul stone and power stone, the effects of time stone won't really help Strange to defeat Thanos. A new fan theory for Avengers: Endgame explains why exactly Doctor Strange gave the Time Stone willingly to Thanos despite knowing the consequences. Strange using the time stone meaning he likely would have failed if he tried. Doctor Strange In the Multiverse Of Madness, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4, like the connection to his brother Eros in, Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. None of the other allies can die. New Rumor Reveals Ben Affleck's Batman Involvement In James Gunn's DCU, Warner Bros. Unveils New Superman Movie Collection Amid DC Reboot, Robert Pattinsons The Batman 2 Gains Unsurprising Cast Member, Michael B. Jordan Shares Blunt Response to Black Superman Casting Rumors, Loki Season 2 Gets Release Date Update (Report), The Flash Movie Synopsis References Henry Cavill's Superman. How did the Illuminati of Earth-838 Beat Thanos In Doctor Str I think he had the sling ring. He brutally grabs Thanos' throat and forces him to experience his entire life asthe Conquererliterally ages the Mad Titan to death. They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. Strange will only reset his memory after the end of each loop. On-screen stone feats only. It is a really dark question that I havent seen anyone really talk about. The primary alternate reality that takes up part of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' plot is Earth-838. :) This guy does fake pitch meetings for movies and has about 10 of them devoted to MarvelDoctor Strange Pitch Meeting. Could MCU Thanos with 4 stones beat Dr Strange with just time stone, without WIS/PIS? This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. If this is the case,many are left wondering why Strange didn't intervene. It's pointed out that if Doctor Strange knew about the Celestial inside Earth, then surely he would've gotten involved in the Eternals' plan to ensure that it worked. There could have been a million ways to defeat thanos, but doing so in those ways may have left the stones in tact and thus a few years after thanos dies, someone else shows up and kills everyone. Warning! Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. Would have made for a The Time Stone, one of the six Infinity Stones, is perhaps the easiest and most succinct method; the wielder of the Time Stone can even move objects forwards and backwards through time. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? 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